Witcher 3 combat is bad. Last edited by spaceweezle ; May 21, 2015 @ 4:53pm. It's all about potions! Not many games in that category have stellar combat or decent for that matter Exactly. Take the fight from the vampire trailer. People seem to mistaken that 'easy' doesn't mean 'good'. Same as oils, there three Tiers and you need formulas and ingredients to create them. Thankfully witcher 3 has so much going on for it that decent(not great) combat is just fine. The Witcher 3 is pretty good, but feels flighty and a lot less "precise" than Assassins of Kings' combat. DA:Origins have nice combat, but its almost like a turn based (on higher difficulties, when you need to freeze time and change tactic quite often) so I wouldnt compare it to the Witcher combat, because its so different. Its just that whenever I try to be clever and use dodges, parries and special abilities, I die. More so because the styles were removed. Stupidass piruettes all the times just to get killed, need to hit lvl 15 enemy 300 times if you are lvl5 and it takes one Aug 26, 2019 · 2. -If you are having difficulty with combat at the start, upgrade your Quen sign. Alchemy is unkillable, Mage builds are unkillable, Melee builds are death machines. Restarted the game without it and fell in love with the Witcher 2's systems. Page of 9. Widely regarded as one of the best games ever made and I generally think it is bad. He is usually called upon with no notice to draw If you hold the attack button as you are getting close it will slow down making it easier to hit your targets. Whenever I simply spam click attack, I win. And besides, Skyrim, Witcher 3, and DMC both aim for wildly different things with their combat system. Witcher 2 is somewhat rougher version of the Witcher 3 combat. As someone who despise Witcher II combat, (still finished the game because story is great tho) i definitely prefere Witcher 3 on that regard. Fast attacks are quick strikes that can be strung Jun 20, 2016 · There's a lot of things to like about the Witcher 3, but combat doesn't seem to be one of them. 3. DeadEyeisReady said: Even with higher framerates Witcher 3 has some of the worst combat in recent memory not including the Witcher 2 which was literal aids. Which can e effective but odd looking. • 3 yr. Combat is the only thing about The Witcher 3 that deserves any criticism. #1. I May 12, 2015 · Unlike its predecessor, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt doesn't exactly come screaming off the starting line. Aug 12, 2017 · Dark Souls / Bloodborne combat is by far the best when we talk about RPGs with similar action oriented style as Witcher 3. Its very responsive and often times if you get hit its because you ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. I do enjoy DS combat a lot, but it makes sense for them to perfect it in a game that is designed around the combat. *Something to keep you going. Just playing the Witcher 3 without the previous two is fine and you will miss on a few references and some character (but not in a sense compared to Mass Effect for example). Swordplay is fine, but when you're forced into fistfights & can't use your spells for some reason, it's a mess. I make it sound bad but if I could rate the combat in Witcher 3 it would be a 4/10. May 20, 2019 · Most of them need 20-25 of your Toxcity. Its not the combat that sucks, its those players. May 19, 2015 · At the moment being on a horse is a severe liability in a combat situation, not because of the actual horse combat, but because of the unpredictability of the horse movement. For me personally, the combat wasn’t that bad and I can’t recall never thinking that ”wow, this sucks”. This particular one will focus mostly on combat and inventory. Some even say it's the greatest RPG ever made. Witcher 3 combat isn't bad in the sense the controls are so bad you can't play. Human (And some monster) enemies will try to use their numbers against you, and they don't adhere to the "One at a time" trope, like a kung fu movie. Death March No Quen has taught me to make the most of Witcher 3’s combat and ultimately, make the gameplay rewarding and enjoyable. So far at least. Don't play Witcher for the combat. It could have been a point-and-click adventure game and it would have been just as good by virtue of its story elements alone. Once we reach 3 points, Flood of Anger will allow casting the top The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt features a real-time battle system that provides players with a variety of options and strategies for defeating enemies. Aug 12, 2017 · None, ALL RPGs have basic to bad combat. The videos also paint a rather false representation. The whole combat system felt like a devolution from W1's timing-based system (comparable to how combat in Batman Arkham games works for those who haven't played W1). I agree it’s a great game, I think it’s very fun to hunt the monsters and follow the story. The game isn't bad just because you're bad at it. Those decapitation gives me mini orgasm, every time they are executed. I am not comparing these games directly all I am saying its not an excuse to say oh its story driven so bad combat gets a free pass when theres plenty of story driven games with great gameplay. It's still clunky but the combat feels less floaty and the simple addition of a "side-step" fill in the need of a defensive option that isn't "I roll 5 meters away, giving up any possibility to counterattack the enemy in a timely fashion" TW3's combat is horrendously bad. I picked this up on PS4 for $10 on the Black Friday sale, and I wish I could return it. I don't blame Obama for not playing it. At its best, it is elegant and satisfying, and rewards careful preparation. Jan 6, 2024 · Combat Sign Hybrid build. The auto targeting system is god awful. It's okay for the combat to be pretty bad and the rest of the game to be amazing. For The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Why do people say witcher's combat is bad?" - Page 2. The Witcher 3 lacks all of those things for me. Most people don't play the witcher for the combat system. Play like a true Witcher: - Use Alchemy (oils, potions, decoticons, bombs) - Read beastiary, it have plenty of info to get your life easier. XD. I'm sorry, but Witcher 3 combat system is basic and boring after 30 hours of gameplay. Originally posted by Julymorning: Witcher 3 combat is mediocre and awful. Some will deny it, but most of us simply find a "trick" that allows to breeze through the combat in order to get to the good stuff. If I play your game for over an hour and the only reason I have to continue playing is because some “real gamer” keeps egging me on, then your game is bad. The combat lacks a sense of weight. It's faster paced compared to Dark Souls combat, and not require much calculations, at least on the easy, medium, and hard difficulty. You don't even need to memorize the move sets since most monsters have like 2 or 3 attacks anyway. It is my opinion that Witcher 3 is actually -too precise- for the typical gamer, to the point where it does not at all try to help you compensate. Overall, the combat was the one really really bad part of W2 Witcher combat is bad. Added to which, as already said, enemies essentially have the same attack patterns. Just swing the sword. The Witcher 3 is a bad video game. The Combat. It is a LMB mashing mess. The combat clearly has depth, and if people are doing badly it might pay to more appropriately ask what the issues are, but just broadly stating, "Yeah, most people who say the combat is bad just don't know what they're doing" is on par with a No True Scotsman fallacy (IE, "The glitches in Sonic 06 aren't bad, you just have to know how to avoid Dec 27, 2015 · Dark Souls combat is clunky and you can't just spam buttons, you have to time your actions well otherwise you'll die before you know it. If people played it on anything lower than Broken Bones, they didn't get the true Witcher experience. Like Skyrim and Dark souls 1 released together and they were different genres of RPG. It sets up instant death attacks, knocks enemies away and can hit multiple enemies after investing talents into it when leveling. Combat feels like a genuine afterthought in the game, does not scale/unlock with your character, and is far too easy to game. That is a bad reflection of the combat system. Sekiro is hack and slash action game and its Combat is very well done and precise. I’m only alerted to the game by In this regard they must think the Witcher 3 is a terrible game because combat is basically dodge and attack Dont get me wrong Witcher is the BEST game i have ever played and i got couple thousand hours in it. like i said, I get it, im with you. It has a Rythm to it AND tactics. Go play the Risen series or even worse, Gothic. Do it, and you win. I really dont understand some people, they seem so spoiled or entitled. Personally prefer the Witcher 1 over Witcher 2 combat. That being said, it can be difficult to get good at it, which is probably why so many people say it sucks. The Witcher 3 Next Gen Update has now been out for a few weeks and some of the initial issues have been ironed out by two hotfix patches. Witcher 3 combat requires more than just Hit and Roll (It isn't a Souls game). i gave up and then after 1 yr again started and liked it. Story, I don’t even need to explain. Feb 1, 2016 · The combat in the Witcher 3 is very fluid. Sep 6, 2019 · But, but, but. Although I find mounted combat much easier then before, I still prefer non mounted combat. I thought Horizon Zero Dawn was a bad game, but now I realize that, whereas it stole major elements from Witcher, it at least improved on them. The combat in Witcher 2 is absolutely horrendous. Just wondering if they will make changes so it's different and better in the next gen update I hope The Witcher 4 has more precise and predictable combat and hitboxes, because this is kinda bad. Its so fucking bad, after playing Witcher 3 and enjoying it alot I had high expectations for Witcher 2. These first 3 are pretty essential for the harder parts of the The game seems to be masterclass in many aspects but combat, in which unpopular opinion, I didn’t think was that bad at all. Sep 15, 2016. I play in PC with kbm. peontom posted Witcher combat in a nutshell: That's Witcher 1, genius. The combat's extremely clunky, the UI is absolutely cluttered and horrendous (I somehow had two steel swords instead of one steel and one silver one moment) and there is so much stuff it bombards you with. You can play multiple races each one with unique lore and places they are from and unique characteristics. The Witcher 3’s combat sucks for reasons that will become apparent 30 or 40 hours in. Compared to The Witcher 2, where you're immediately plunged headlong into a sexy story of Nov 15, 2016 · On maximun difficulty, light hit and jump back, thats all you need to kill bosses on Thw Witcher 3. Take the screecher/ cockatrice fight early on. As a Witcher, your job is to go out and kill monsters, so it was nice seeing it in a trailer. Sometimes CDPR can fool us into thinking the combat is good by giving bosses really flashy attack animations, but it's a lie. Witcher 3's combat is preferably one of the most "impactful" combat I have seen in any games. Fights ending in 5 seconds at the hardest difficulty seems very dumb to me since I'm looking for a challenge. Scaling is ridiculous (separate issue from problematic synergy), and removes any need to utilize Geralt's tools or vary up your playstyle. This is going to sound silly: Don't let enemies surround you. Try to use parry in combat for example and you will see. Even though animations and stuff look great, it really does become a complete cakewalk at some stage, especially if you're partaking in the plethora of sidequests and areas. Combat in Witcher 3 is serviceable but pretty straight forward button mash, I’ve yet to encounter a puzzle that’s much of anything, so if that’s what you’re looking for that’s not something you’re going to get. It appeals to casual gamers only. You can also make enemies fly off ledges to their death using Aard which means instant death for them. I can fight 5-10 eneimes without getting gangbanged using parries, signs, blocking, and dodging. Witcher 3 is the one game that makes it decent, but it still pales in comparison to games that actually put huge emphasis on combat. Perelygino_Klyazma. It's bad. 4. 1. It's just not amazing, unlike pretty much everything else about this brilliant title. I personally enjoy fights when I'm a little bit challenged. The side quests are considerably lengthy and witcher 2 was difficult even on normal difficulty, in the start you even die to normal soldiers. Like this game is a story driven RPG so why use the combat as a parameter to judge. Witcher 3 doesn't Dec 16, 2022 · Looking to upgrade your Witcher 3 combat skills? Whether you're brand new to The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt or have jumped back in courtesy of the next-gen upgrade, odds are you'll benefit from a quick combat tutorial. Good thing is, the game has other things to offer like interesting story, characters, exploration, all of which overwrites the fact the combat is average. Not sure if you know about that feature, I thought mounted combat was terrible at first too until I realized that. The enemies aren't a threat, and their pattern are not challenging (even Olgierd or the toad in Hearts of Stone, even the vampire in Blood and Wine). 3/3 talent makes it able to usually shield you from 3 or so weaker attacks, and will occasionally stun opponents for a fast kill. Even though i love this ♥♥♥ game, fighting mechanics are the worst thing I have ever seen. Dec 31, 2019 · This game's combat is complete garbage. 😂 All the Witcher games have a different combat system and took me time to get used to. What I would like the mods for combat to do: Stop Geralt from spinning and running 10 meters after I press LMB in order to hit an enemy. - don't rush and run swinging to enemy, be patient. Combat in The Witcher 3 is a beast of two natures. So the whole idea is to use swords and potions to pump up your Adrenaline. It’s fine with groups of weak enemies because they die quickly and they have long telegraphs for their attacks, but it goes to shit as soon As a guy that has about 2000 hours into the Souls games and Bloodborne, Witcher 3 combat is a bit of a step back but it is definitely a big improvement over Witcher 2. The Witcher combat. The Witcher 3 having combat at all is a luxury. Ciri combat lacks depth and player freedom unlike Geralt. The build's idea is to use Adrenaline points to cast Signs and empower them with a bonus of 300% sign intensity. I would be quite honest here, I personally really like Witcher 3's combat but I am open to listening to sound criticism. If having a good combat with variety and different builds, TW3 is not the game for you. King_Rhobar_V. This game has good combat that requires neat timing to parry and dodge, and you have to look for opportunities to hit your enemy because they are only vulnerable at times. The Combat needs way more precision and predictability. The early game is fine, it’s that gear and skills will end up turning Geralt into an unstoppable killing machine on Death March, and you’re virtually invincible just by spamming dodge and quick attacking, or by spamming signs. DS3 has this extremely amazing combat system and a good unique storytelling over Witcher 3 while in almost every other area Witcher 3 wins. I think this is a result of the devs trying too hard to replicate authentic physics, it's just over-the-top. You just have to develop them once. I’ve just started playing Witcher 3 the past few days and I’ve been struggling really badly with combat. " His words, not mine. If you want to play an RPG with bad combat, go play Star Ocean 5. Witcher 2 was much more fluid. Either way, I enjoy witcher 3's combat tremendously despite the various hiccups. Whether he defends the honour of a damsel in distress, or just defends himself from monsters, it is a good thing his swords are on his back at all times. Look at God of War, Dark souls, etc. As to the combat it was slightly challenging in the beginning on harder difficulties. Its not a meme to hate on the games combat it sucks total dick. - learn when to use dodge and roll. The Witcher 3 is an excellent RPG, but its combat system has come under fire from many people for being too easy, too difficult, too See full list on thegamer. I could barely handle certain enemies such as drowners my own level on story and sword difficulty. Witcher 3's combat is actually better than a lot of story focused RPGs Combat forms such an important element of gameplay This assumption is your first mistake. Dec 16, 2022 · Alternative Movement Makes Geralt a Little Easier to Control in The Witcher 3. Dark Souls has great combat. I mostly pop 3-4 befor a tough fight and maybe another 1 or 2 for healing if needed. Its difficult enough assuming you play on death march and don't purposely break the game. It's a good game with amazing story and top tier side quests and DLC, but the combat is by very far the worst feature of the game. I'm in a side quest where I need to fight 3 guys at once Even in the early game you get way more than you need, even if you're chowing down multiple times per fight. r/Witcher3. clay gamer Sep 10, 2017 @ 8:18am. Its not deep or engaging at all. Horrible controls and atrocious combat. Boards. Then come tell me The point of this is to try and help people feeling like the combat is clunky get a handle on the way you need to think when you use Geralt. It's just not great either. #121. It's not bad but not good either. The combat is bad, but you won't hear that from a fan-based subreddit. Nothing like the Elder scrolls is just a way better series from daggerfall-Skyrim the Witcher series had 1 decent game and that’s the Witcher 3. ShortReplies 4 years ago #44. Go for Superior as fast as you can. The circle button for dodging in W3 has a shorter distance compared to BB and it is messing me up. Combat forms such an important element of gameplay and The Witcher 3' isn't great at all. Picking herbs is also a pain as Geralt usually overshoots it and walks past it. And it's kinda meh. Did the arena mode. To emphasize the most important aspects of combat though: Aard for non boss fights. For The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt on the PC, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "To those saying combat is bad or hard to get into" - Page 2. The Witcher 3, on the other hand, is quite simplistic in my opinion. But overall Witcher 3's combat is fairly easy. MembersOnline. BANE Jun 27, 2021 @ 10:34am. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. *Something to make you do. Combat has always been the weakness of the series. Rookie. There are two types of attacks: fast attacks and strong attacks. I went all in for those cursed swords, too. Discussion. in: The Witcher combat, The Witcher (computer game) English. So I choose to roll instead but that goes too far! Roll. The list goes on. Much of the writing is fantastic. The combat is still bad. If the enemy is too far away, it misses and that is the end of that. Trolling Witcher fans is his "schtick. That said, the people who complain about Witcher 3's combat seem to not understand that the fun comes from strategy and preparation more than the combat itself. Varied enemies, awesome combos, a big challenge, a variety of intricate and varied character building. Attacking is one of the main things Geralt does in the game. This one of reasons why combat sucks in this game(old Witcher games had even shitter combats but at least they didnt have an atrocious targeting system). Combat is always best in Miyazaki titles. The early Bloody Baron quest line is fantastic and really affecting. In my mind, it was decent. Witcher 3’s combat isn’t terrible but I never really enjoyed it. As Geralt you have so many options on how you want to approach an enemy; you can parry and break weapons, perform counters, strafe around your enemies and attack from behind, dodge roll away from heavy blows, use 5 different signs and each sign can be customized with Dec 17, 2022 · But W3 has very terrible hitboxes, which is a glaring issue. Usually when people talk about negativities in the Witcher 3, the thing that most often pops up, is the bad combat features. Yet after all those years they still haven't even tried to fix that. Played the first 3 hours twice. This is something hard to strictly define, but generally you can feel "weight" in a melee game's combat system from factors like visual and audio feedback, how enemies stagger from your attacks, hitstop effects, etc. Compared to something like Dark Souls, Dragon's Dogma, Devil May Cry, etc. Witcher 3's combat is bad because it is severely restrictive of what you can and cannot do due to the horrible softlocking which while suited to gamepads, is atrocious on KB+M. Its not as good as Dark Souls, but jesus I am so sick of people dogging this game for its combat. I recommend mod were it removes the system. I personally still enjoy the game. Witcher 3 is action-RPG and combat is the core gameplay of the game. Currently the combat looks like this: dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, get a hit in, dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, maybe use A fat guy 5 levels below you deals more damage with a punch than an earth elemental 5 levels above you. I feel a lot of people that criticize Witcher 3 combat don't think of the genre in general and compare it to other games that are combat focused (like the Souls games). Combat is kinda bland? I've seen alot of people give this game insanely high ratings saying EVERYTHING is amazing and perfect, but one of the main factors of the game seems to be kind of boring and repetetive to me. Witcher III is a (very) good and dynamic combat system, designed with flexibility and group tactics in mind, but it's potential is crippled by a lack of more complex and agressive, responsive AI, occasional targeting issues and later in the game, skill balance and lack of challenging opponents. Some professional fighting game player uploaded a video bitching about the combat, and what it really came down to was he didn't understand the combat and was playing like a moron. It has its flaws but its clearly a story driven game with combat an afterthought. Especially nowadays, if someone's coming from most popular titles on the market, W3 combat would definitely look relatively basic and repetitive. - don't get surrounded, try to CC mob to your view. Sep 10, 2017 · The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt > General Discussions > Topic Details. The experience still is far from as smooth as the original version of the game, but let's try to disregard performance as part of this thread. There's no way that sentiment can be true when the combat is this clunky & unsatisfying. It never felt like using Igni/Aard/Yrden/Axii was a better combat choice than just doing a fast attack or a dodge. You just use quen and click LMB, occasionally using an oil. Witcher 3 combat reputation is more of a buzzword at this point and easily can tell the difference between ignorant or smart critic based on their view of I agree. On DM you have to use nearly everything in your disposal for some fights, which is a plus. ago. And I don't even think this is a subjective opinion. DS3 is a bad game. A lot of games don't even have combat, and they're still well-regarded despite that. Then Witcher 3 and bloodborne released together and they are different genres of RPG again. In my opinion Witcher 3's combat is slightly above average at the absolute best. Unpopular opinion: Witcher 3 is really bad. The gamer ends up punished for not knowing when inputting an action will do nothing, among other things So I got Witcher 3 for the PS4 today, and I've been working through it for about 3 hours. It's just bland combat. Welcome to r/Witcher3! A subreddit for discussions, news, memes, media, and other topics pertaining to the third installment in the Witcher games franchise. The one thing I really hate about the W3 is that Geralt automatically locks onto a bad guy when close enough for fighting. READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING, beware of spoilers if you haven’t finished the game. its frustrating, but you have to learn and improve. Probably the worst targeting system in a game l've ever witnessed. This game misses a few things but it DESERVES the scores it's gotten. Quen was useful but that brings the “useful combat ability” count up to 3 which is still pretty bad. Aug 12, 2017 · However, even when considering slow tactical combat, Dark Souls does everything Witcher 3 does and much more. Well, I mean, this sure explains everything and completely justifies the statement. Played the tutorial 3 times. i agree , most of what you said is exactly what i'm experiencing i do manage to fight a little on horseback due to the slow down when you hold the attack button The combat isn't bad. Although I would still say that the combat of Witcher 3 is still mostly average. The world looks beautiful and really sets the tone for a dark fantasy story. Whether it is the online aspect or cutscenes, world interactionetc. there are worse. Also it is pretty empty overall compared to Witcher 3. Topic Archived. -Quen can be cast very quickly as a reaction to an attack. And those "I Win" buttons are always there to fall back on if you start to struggle or are close to dying. Witcher 3 combat is good imo, it does its job good as an open world rpg game. Sadly the combat is making me not finish this game as it is even on the easiest difficulty so fucking bad, some of the worst combat in any game Ive ever played. The attacks don't connect properly, hit collision detection issues all over the place. Stop auto aiming at enemies when I am surrounded. "YOU would have me linger in the dark and cold, when I KNOW light and warmth exists". Jun 27, 2021 · The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt > General Discussions > Topic Details. That's not a walking sim either. You can't control the exact attack you do, so you assume whatever attack the game chooses to do will hit, but the attacks miss Sooo Much. The update was released on Dec 14th across PC, Playstation 5, and . Jun 7, 2014 · I tried so hard to like it. Fighting mechanics are terrible. As a witcher, Geralt of Rivia is equipped with swords, crossbows, magic spells, and other items to defeat all that stand in his way. Any other way is broken and/or clunky. Jul 22, 2015 · Why everyone is wrong about the Witcher 3's combat. It offends the senses merely by existing and ruins the entire experience. We use melee combat to empower Sing abilities with all upgrades. they made witcher 3 combat a lil bit easy to get more ppl playng without giving up. Yes, but not truly. but I am getting close to quitting this game after experiencing what I described. After playing Batman or even Uncharted 3 the hand to hand combat in Witcher is pretty bad. The story or characters just aren't enough to carry a game of this length if the core gameplay and combat is this bad. CDPR has some the crappiest combat designers in modern gaming. Personally I love it because even the minor plot lines and quests have remarkable depth and characterization. Of course the Witcher 3 world is bigger Arhkam Asylum is a linear game that takes place in one area. Ill admit i used to be terrible at combat. Witcher 3 is a great game but combat isn't its defining feature. Games need 3 things: *Something to draw you in. Don't do it for more than one attack and you die. Yeah the combat in Witcher 3 definitely isn't the strong point of the game, but this reminds me of something similar that happened when Witcher 2 launched. Either spammy and boring or frusterating, like not being able to hold the sword in a block position and move at the same time. So overall TW3 is a better game if you go by point by point 2 things: Use potions, oils and bombs. Like, it does the job but isn't really interesting as you progress through the game. Then you have the inconvenience where you have to freeze the flow of combat to change gear, signs (controller), and quickslots. Unpopular opinion: Witcher 3 has a terrible combat system. May 21, 2015 · It makes combat clunky as hell. The combat is bad because there is only one way to fight - that is using dodge and sidestep and this makes it really boring. Honestly 90% of the problem with combat is balancing and enemy design. The difference is that the alternative movement scheme, which was patched into the game post-release, makes In the heat of a combat, I don't bother to switch between bombs, oils, concoctions and such since it's less of a hassle to just sidestep the monsters' attacks and counter with fast attacks. The game must be an RPG and cannot be an action game with RPG elements. I just hate fighting with the system. Nothing ever was fun. The fighting isn't even that bad. The combat system is 10 times more exciting than The Witcher 3 combat system. What's interesting: Witcher 2 had worse combat system, but way better hitbox Combat forms such an important element of gameplay This assumption is your first mistake. I bet people will be able to further mod witcher 3's combat when mod support is released. neldot Sep 16, 2021 @ 4:18am. The mid-combat potions are nice, but feel more generic RPG and less, well, like The Witcher. Elder scrolls has daggerfall / morrowind / oblivion and Skyrim and even eso. com Combat has always been the weakness of the series. Yet people praise this game to the high heavens. Whenever I’m fighting 3 or more opponents it seems as if everytime I try to attack one or even several will attack me and either trade damage or stop my attack. qf eq av bj rc jl dv zk bs gf